Comments on: On Coming Home… http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/ Thoughts on marriage, parenting, homeschool, housekeeping, doctrine and my life. Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:23:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: meg http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/comment-page-1/#comment-636 meg Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:48:51 +0000 http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/#comment-636 Rebecca, Sorry if I misunderstood your point. I thought you were disagreeing that women ought to be home. Well, in anycase, I certainly agree with the idea of women being able to take their children with them to outside work. I think that would fall inline with Scripture quite nicely, as the woman in Proverbs 31 plants and harvests a vineyard (obviously that wasn't in the home), she must take her children with her, and thereby take home with her. I have met vrey few women who are able to have a job outside of the home, take their children (especially beyond baby years, or more than one at a time) keep up the house, and the job. It sure would be nice if more opportunity like that were afforded women. My husband and I are considering a store front that we would run, where I would take my children with me. It would be like home away from home... so I can definately see that being a scriptural possibility. MIN the counter revolution sure is exciting. I enjoy watching it too... we are a part of history in the making! lol. Mrs Meg Logan Rebecca,
Sorry if I misunderstood your point. I thought you were disagreeing that women ought to be home. Well, in anycase, I certainly agree with the idea of women being able to take their children with them to outside work. I think that would fall inline with Scripture quite nicely, as the woman in Proverbs 31 plants and harvests a vineyard (obviously that wasn’t in the home), she must take her children with her, and thereby take home with her. I have met vrey few women who are able to have a job outside of the home, take their children (especially beyond baby years, or more than one at a time) keep up the house, and the job. It sure would be nice if more opportunity like that were afforded women. My husband and I are considering a store front that we would run, where I would take my children with me. It would be like home away from home… so I can definately see that being a scriptural possibility.

MIN the counter revolution sure is exciting. I enjoy watching it too… we are a part of history in the making! lol.

Mrs Meg Logan

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/comment-page-1/#comment-635 MInTheGap Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:09:54 +0000 http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/#comment-635 I think that Rebecca made pretty clear that she would not place work over family-- and I think that the workplace has been made into a fun place for women. I mean, in some places standards have been relaxed, things have been introduced to make the workplace more accomodating-- as well as the prep stuff that you talk about, Meg. The interesting thing is watching the counter revolution in action. More women are wanting to be home with their families and they're finding that there are modern day "land to buy", etc. There's a lot of fields opening up online, etc. The unique challenge for the woman is there, if she wants to take it. I think that Rebecca made pretty clear that she would not place work over family– and I think that the workplace has been made into a fun place for women. I mean, in some places standards have been relaxed, things have been introduced to make the workplace more accomodating– as well as the prep stuff that you talk about, Meg.

The interesting thing is watching the counter revolution in action. More women are wanting to be home with their families and they’re finding that there are modern day “land to buy”, etc. There’s a lot of fields opening up online, etc.

The unique challenge for the woman is there, if she wants to take it.

]]> By: Rebecca Mielke http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/comment-page-1/#comment-634 Rebecca Mielke Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:05:56 +0000 http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/#comment-634 Ha! (Again). I am afraid I was misunderstood. To clarify: I am in no way advocating "leaving one’s home for the workplace" nor "to allow another to raise one’s children". You and I are in complete agreement on that! But consider this: if our society were not so anti-child, there would be more opportunities for doing things outside the home WITHOUT neglecting family. Opportunities to serve or work with your children, for example. The Titus 2 passage is addressed to older women, instructing them to teach the younger what is good. Perhaps if that were happening, life at home would not be so lonely. And for your readers who don't know me: my youngest child is almost finished with high school, and I meet my husband at his office daily to walk on his lunch hour. Unfortunately for me, I just have alot of words. Ha! (Again). I am afraid I was misunderstood. To clarify: I am in no way advocating “leaving one’s home for the workplace” nor “to allow another to raise one’s children”. You and I are in complete agreement on that!

But consider this: if our society were not so anti-child, there would be more opportunities for doing things outside the home WITHOUT neglecting family. Opportunities to serve or work with your children, for example.

The Titus 2 passage is addressed to older women, instructing them to teach the younger what is good. Perhaps if that were happening, life at home would not be so lonely.

And for your readers who don’t know me: my youngest child is almost finished with high school, and I meet my husband at his office daily to walk on his lunch hour. Unfortunately for me, I just have alot of words.

]]> By: meg http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/comment-page-1/#comment-633 meg Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:54:50 +0000 http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/#comment-633 <p>Rebecca, Thank you for your respectful tone in your disagreement. I really appreciate that. Yet, I must strongly disagree with you. We cannot pick and choose which verses we would like to obey today. The Word of God is perfect, and supra cultural. It is true that women in that day did not have opportunity to work outide of the home, but it is still true that a woman's first role and duty is to her family, from the home. One cannot make a solid arguement that leaving one's home for the workplace is actually better for her family. To allow another to raise one's children (which are a blessing and a reward of the Lord, and to be taught to love Him) is to not fulfill one's duty as a mother. If a woman does not have children, or if her children are grown, I would argue that it is possible to work and still be serving your family, as long as your husband still comes before your work. (Also, only if your husband allows it. It isn't a woman's RIGHT to work outside of the home, it is a privilege.)</p> <p>Regarding if work is fun, well maybe so, but working at home is more fun! It is true that the work at home is often harder, and can at times seem "boring" but I would argue that it could be MADE into fun if one so chose. Of course in the end, fun isn't necessary (in fact in our society I would argue it is highly overrated), but I would also say it is a bonus.</p> <p>Regarding discontetment at home, I would like to point out that today's culture certainly encourages women to be dissatisfied at home. We are told that workplace work is to be valued and enjoyed above raising children and caring for a home. We are encouraged to go to college to prepare us for a professional career. All of these things encourage women to be dissatisfied with the work at home. But that is not God's plan. True joy and true fulfillment comes when we do what God wants us to as depicted in His Word. The closer we are to what He sets out as right, the greater joy and fulfillment we will have (even in trials and persecutions).</p> <p>Your Sister in Christ,<br /> Mrs Meg Logan </p> Rebecca, Thank you for your respectful tone in your disagreement. I really appreciate that.
Yet, I must strongly disagree with you. We cannot pick and choose which verses we would like to obey today. The Word of God is perfect, and supra cultural. It is true that women in that day did not have opportunity to work outide of the home, but it is still true that a woman’s first role and duty is to her family, from the home. One cannot make a solid arguement that leaving one’s home for the workplace is actually better for her family. To allow another to raise one’s children (which are a blessing and a reward of the Lord, and to be taught to love Him) is to not fulfill one’s duty as a mother. If a woman does not have children, or if her children are grown, I would argue that it is possible to work and still be serving your family, as long as your husband still comes before your work. (Also, only if your husband allows it. It isn’t a woman’s RIGHT to work outside of the home, it is a privilege.)

Regarding if work is fun, well maybe so, but working at home is more fun! It is true that the work at home is often harder, and can at times seem “boring” but I would argue that it could be MADE into fun if one so chose. Of course in the end, fun isn’t necessary (in fact in our society I would argue it is highly overrated), but I would also say it is a bonus.

Regarding discontetment at home, I would like to point out that today’s culture certainly encourages women to be dissatisfied at home. We are told that workplace work is to be valued and enjoyed above raising children and caring for a home. We are encouraged to go to college to prepare us for a professional career. All of these things encourage women to be dissatisfied with the work at home. But that is not God’s plan. True joy and true fulfillment comes when we do what God wants us to as depicted in His Word. The closer we are to what He sets out as right, the greater joy and fulfillment we will have (even in trials and persecutions).

Your Sister in Christ,
Mrs Meg Logan

]]> By: Rebecca Mielke http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/comment-page-1/#comment-631 Rebecca Mielke Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:21:53 +0000 http://www.meglogan.com/2006/10/05/on-coming-home/#comment-631 Ha! I hope you know that I PRIMARILY agree with what you have written, certainly with your description of our priorities as Christian wives. That said, I would like to make two small points: 1) We MAY over-emphasize the "at home" part of the Titus 2 passage. In Biblical times, women didn't have options. Being diligent, loving, and sensible, I think is more the point of the passage. In other words, love your husband and children by working hard, not by sitting around eating bon-bons and watching soap operas (what the world thinks we do). 2) I disagree with you about the FUN reasons. Working is fun. There are people there to talk to, and if they don't do what you want -- you can FIRE them. Those other things are more satisfying, yes, but looking back on a long season of being at home and homeschooling, hey, it's lonely. There is a cost to be counted. Yes, I'd go back to work in a heartbeat, but not at the expense of my family. And, praise God, He simply won't allow it. Meantime, I need to discipline myself about the working hard part. I'd really rather just sit around and talk about what's for dinner. (Maybe that's the older woman encouragement part?) Ha! I hope you know that I PRIMARILY agree with what you have written, certainly with your description of our priorities as Christian wives. That said, I would like to make two small points:
1) We MAY over-emphasize the “at home” part of the Titus 2 passage. In Biblical times, women didn’t have options. Being diligent, loving, and sensible, I think is more the point of the passage. In other words, love your husband and children by working hard, not by sitting around eating bon-bons and watching soap operas (what the world thinks we do).
2) I disagree with you about the FUN reasons. Working is fun. There are people there to talk to, and if they don’t do what you want — you can FIRE them. Those other things are more satisfying, yes, but looking back on a long season of being at home and homeschooling, hey, it’s lonely. There is a cost to be counted.
Yes, I’d go back to work in a heartbeat, but not at the expense of my family. And, praise God, He simply won’t allow it. Meantime, I need to discipline myself about the working hard part. I’d really rather just sit around and talk about what’s for dinner. (Maybe that’s the older woman encouragement part?)

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